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> <channel><title>Comments on: Do You Make These Mistakes When Recruiting Software Developers?</title> <atom:link href="http://hackerboss.com/recruitment-mistakes/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://hackerboss.com/recruitment-mistakes/</link> <description>Developing software and managing development teams.</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 20:15:47 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: The Best Way To Interview A Developer</title><link>http://hackerboss.com/recruitment-mistakes/comment-page-1/#comment-309</link> <dc:creator>The Best Way To Interview A Developer</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 13:17:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://hackerboss.com/?p=716#comment-309</guid> <description>[...] interviews, tests and in the end you basically &#8216;go with your gut&#8217; and hire people who might be good and still get it wrong half the time. Not an ideal situation. This is because developers are [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] interviews, tests and in the end you basically &#8216;go with your gut&#8217; and hire people who might be good and still get it wrong half the time. Not an ideal situation. This is because developers are [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Crossbrowser</title><link>http://hackerboss.com/recruitment-mistakes/comment-page-1/#comment-250</link> <dc:creator>Crossbrowser</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 11:36:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://hackerboss.com/?p=716#comment-250</guid> <description>The first five minutes are important. We don&#039;t have the best interviewing practices where I work, but one important thing is that it must feel right. If you can enjoy talking with the person, that&#039;s what matters. After that, we just make sure he&#039;s actually competent (some technical questions) and that he wants the job for the good reasons (not just money or because we&#039;re his last resort, he must want this particular job).</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first five minutes are important. We don&#8217;t have the best interviewing practices where I work, but one important thing is that it must feel right. If you can enjoy talking with the person, that&#8217;s what matters. After that, we just make sure he&#8217;s actually competent (some technical questions) and that he wants the job for the good reasons (not just money or because we&#8217;re his last resort, he must want this particular job).</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ville Laurikari</title><link>http://hackerboss.com/recruitment-mistakes/comment-page-1/#comment-247</link> <dc:creator>Ville Laurikari</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 15:21:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://hackerboss.com/?p=716#comment-247</guid> <description>Yep, I also read Seth&#039;s post and was thinking &quot;ouch, we&#039;re doing it wrong.&quot;It is not often that my first impression of a candidate (after the first five minutes) changes significantly during the interview process.  So it would make sense to do those five minute interviews as Seth suggests.Actually, I do remember one person we interviewed very thoroughly, or at least for a very long time. Initially I was against hiring him, but in the end he won us over and we ended up hiring him.  It turned out he was indeed a poor fit for our team, and he didn&#039;t stay with us for long.  That kind of taught me a lesson - but now I&#039;m thinking I&#039;ve been interpreting that lesson incorrectly: I thought the lesson was that I should interview even harder and even more thoroughly, but probably the correct lesson is to trust your first instinct and not even try to be thorough.The first law of bad management: If something doesn&#039;t work, do more of it.  This kind of applies to interviewing as well.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, I also read Seth&#8217;s post and was thinking &#8220;ouch, we&#8217;re doing it wrong.&#8221;</p><p>It is not often that my first impression of a candidate (after the first five minutes) changes significantly during the interview process.  So it would make sense to do those five minute interviews as Seth suggests.</p><p>Actually, I do remember one person we interviewed very thoroughly, or at least for a very long time. Initially I was against hiring him, but in the end he won us over and we ended up hiring him.  It turned out he was indeed a poor fit for our team, and he didn&#8217;t stay with us for long.  That kind of taught me a lesson &#8211; but now I&#8217;m thinking I&#8217;ve been interpreting that lesson incorrectly: I thought the lesson was that I should interview even harder and even more thoroughly, but probably the correct lesson is to trust your first instinct and not even try to be thorough.</p><p>The first law of bad management: If something doesn&#8217;t work, do more of it.  This kind of applies to interviewing as well.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Crossbrowser</title><link>http://hackerboss.com/recruitment-mistakes/comment-page-1/#comment-246</link> <dc:creator>Crossbrowser</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 14:50:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://hackerboss.com/?p=716#comment-246</guid> <description>Seth Godin just posted something along those lines (&lt;a href=&quot;http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2009/08/two-ways-to-hire-and-a-wrong-way.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Two ways to hire (and a wrong way)&lt;/a&gt;).When hiring you are the one in need (the applicants are, but the good ones don&#039;t *need* your job) so treat them well. Giving feedback quickly is a must.I also like your point about internships and local universities. That&#039;s how I got hired and how we got one full-time employee and one intern. Internships are a must in my opinion and both the intern and the company benefit from them (cheap labor and great experience).</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seth Godin just posted something along those lines (<a
href="http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2009/08/two-ways-to-hire-and-a-wrong-way.html" rel="nofollow">Two ways to hire (and a wrong way)</a>).</p><p>When hiring you are the one in need (the applicants are, but the good ones don&#8217;t *need* your job) so treat them well. Giving feedback quickly is a must.</p><p>I also like your point about internships and local universities. That&#8217;s how I got hired and how we got one full-time employee and one intern. Internships are a must in my opinion and both the intern and the company benefit from them (cheap labor and great experience).</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ville Laurikari</title><link>http://hackerboss.com/recruitment-mistakes/comment-page-1/#comment-235</link> <dc:creator>Ville Laurikari</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:31:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://hackerboss.com/?p=716#comment-235</guid> <description>@Doc Terror, my wording was tragically bad.  What I meant to say that money rarely works as an effective way to motivate developers - we tend be more intrinsically motivated.  Spolsky&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2006/08/09.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Econ 101 Management Method&lt;/a&gt; explains this better than I ever could.Certainly I don&#039;t want to start a &quot;developers don&#039;t care about money&quot; meme.  Developers should get paid well, and should get a bonus just as handsome as the executive managers.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Doc Terror, my wording was tragically bad.  What I meant to say that money rarely works as an effective way to motivate developers &#8211; we tend be more intrinsically motivated.  Spolsky&#8217;s <a
href="http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2006/08/09.html" rel="nofollow">The Econ 101 Management Method</a> explains this better than I ever could.</p><p>Certainly I don&#8217;t want to start a &#8220;developers don&#8217;t care about money&#8221; meme.  Developers should get paid well, and should get a bonus just as handsome as the executive managers.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Doc Terror</title><link>http://hackerboss.com/recruitment-mistakes/comment-page-1/#comment-234</link> <dc:creator>Doc Terror</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:28:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://hackerboss.com/?p=716#comment-234</guid> <description>@Ville Laurikari,Where does the statement &quot;money is the one thing the greatest developers care least about&quot; come from?  It strikes me as something ideologically tinged:  the kind of statement that employers would pay the McKinsey group to issue to justify paying developers peanuts.Why don&#039;t we start the meme that &quot;corporate executives care the least about money?&quot; and that they should be wooed by free massage therapy and being able to bring their dogs to work?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ville Laurikari,</p><p> Where does the statement &#8220;money is the one thing the greatest developers care least about&#8221; come from?  It strikes me as something ideologically tinged:  the kind of statement that employers would pay the McKinsey group to issue to justify paying developers peanuts.</p><p> Why don&#8217;t we start the meme that &#8220;corporate executives care the least about money?&#8221; and that they should be wooed by free massage therapy and being able to bring their dogs to work?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: BinBlog</title><link>http://hackerboss.com/recruitment-mistakes/comment-page-1/#comment-233</link> <dc:creator>BinBlog</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 10:00:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://hackerboss.com/?p=716#comment-233</guid> <description>&lt;p&gt;Mistakes When Recruiting Software Developers &#8211; &lt;a href=&quot;http://cli.gs/SvUaZ&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://cli.gs/SvUaZ&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;This comment was originally posted on &lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/BinBlog/statuses/3402565952&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Twitter&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mistakes When Recruiting Software Developers &#8211; <a
href="http://cli.gs/SvUaZ" rel="nofollow">http://cli.gs/SvUaZ</a></p><p><i>This comment was originally posted on <a
href="http://twitter.com/BinBlog/statuses/3402565952" rel="nofollow">Twitter</a></i></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Propeople</title><link>http://hackerboss.com/recruitment-mistakes/comment-page-1/#comment-232</link> <dc:creator>Propeople</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:00:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://hackerboss.com/?p=716#comment-232</guid> <description>&lt;p&gt;Do You Make These Mistakes When Recruiting Software Developers? &#8211; &lt;a href=&quot;http://bit.ly/R8iCp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://bit.ly/R8iCp&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;This comment was originally posted on &lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/Propeople/statuses/3401460944&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Twitter&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do You Make These Mistakes When Recruiting Software Developers? &#8211; <a
href="http://bit.ly/R8iCp" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/R8iCp</a></p><p><i>This comment was originally posted on <a
href="http://twitter.com/Propeople/statuses/3401460944" rel="nofollow">Twitter</a></i></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: fi0660</title><link>http://hackerboss.com/recruitment-mistakes/comment-page-1/#comment-231</link> <dc:creator>fi0660</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:52:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://hackerboss.com/?p=716#comment-231</guid> <description>&lt;p&gt;I think the writer was talking about communication skills instead of country of origin.At least I would think twice before applying again to a company, that hasn&#8217;t previously answered my job applications in due time, so I definitely agree with the writer on that one.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;This comment was originally posted on &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=771612&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hacker News&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the writer was talking about communication skills instead of country of origin.At least I would think twice before applying again to a company, that hasn&#8217;t previously answered my job applications in due time, so I definitely agree with the writer on that one.</p><p><i>This comment was originally posted on <a
href="http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=771612" rel="nofollow">Hacker News</a></i></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: kevindication</title><link>http://hackerboss.com/recruitment-mistakes/comment-page-1/#comment-230</link> <dc:creator>kevindication</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:31:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://hackerboss.com/?p=716#comment-230</guid> <description>&lt;p&gt;You can&#8217;t refuse to hire someone because they are from Elbonia.  (Exceptions of course for citizen requirements.)Also, they didn&#8217;t reply to you (I agree, not good) but that was apparently because they hired someone, so, your advice doesn&#8217;t help in this case.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;This comment was originally posted on &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=771405&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hacker News&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t refuse to hire someone because they are from Elbonia.  (Exceptions of course for citizen requirements.)Also, they didn&#8217;t reply to you (I agree, not good) but that was apparently because they hired someone, so, your advice doesn&#8217;t help in this case.</p><p><i>This comment was originally posted on <a
href="http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=771405" rel="nofollow">Hacker News</a></i></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ville Laurikari</title><link>http://hackerboss.com/recruitment-mistakes/comment-page-1/#comment-229</link> <dc:creator>Ville Laurikari</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:02:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://hackerboss.com/?p=716#comment-229</guid> <description>&lt;blockquote&gt;most of the jobs ARE boring&lt;/blockquote&gt;
This is probably true.  But, maybe you can &lt;em&gt;make&lt;/em&gt; those jobs more interesting?  Turn the job into a game of improvement (of processes, tools, code quality, test coverage, efficiency, what have you) to make things exciting.  Create something to strive for, something to excel at.  Not everyone gets to work with the next big thing, but at least you can try to do an awesome job and learn something in the process.Coding exercise in the interview: yes, you should definitely do that.I completely agree with you about the importance of turnover.  Retaining the top talent is not something you can do separately.  It it a side-effect of a healthy organization where people enjoy working.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>most of the jobs ARE boring</p></blockquote><p>This is probably true.  But, maybe you can <em>make</em> those jobs more interesting?  Turn the job into a game of improvement (of processes, tools, code quality, test coverage, efficiency, what have you) to make things exciting.  Create something to strive for, something to excel at.  Not everyone gets to work with the next big thing, but at least you can try to do an awesome job and learn something in the process.</p><p>Coding exercise in the interview: yes, you should definitely do that.</p><p>I completely agree with you about the importance of turnover.  Retaining the top talent is not something you can do separately.  It it a side-effect of a healthy organization where people enjoy working.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: cancel bubble</title><link>http://hackerboss.com/recruitment-mistakes/comment-page-1/#comment-226</link> <dc:creator>cancel bubble</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:15:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://hackerboss.com/?p=716#comment-226</guid> <description>&quot;Do you post boring job ads?&quot;This is interesting to me because let&#039;s be honest, most of the jobs ARE boring.  Odds are, you&#039;re not going to end up working on anything cool or exciting.  There&#039;s a really good chance you&#039;ll end up working with legacy/bad code, not even new development.Phone screens are great, but even better is to do some actual coding during the interview.Also more important than recruiting is retaining top people.  Turnover is a killer and I&#039;ve yet to work at a company who has put any real effort/plans in place to retain top talent.  I&#039;m talking more than just annual raises (which aren&#039;t always given).</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Do you post boring job ads?&#8221;</p><p>This is interesting to me because let&#8217;s be honest, most of the jobs ARE boring.  Odds are, you&#8217;re not going to end up working on anything cool or exciting.  There&#8217;s a really good chance you&#8217;ll end up working with legacy/bad code, not even new development.</p><p>Phone screens are great, but even better is to do some actual coding during the interview.</p><p>Also more important than recruiting is retaining top people.  Turnover is a killer and I&#8217;ve yet to work at a company who has put any real effort/plans in place to retain top talent.  I&#8217;m talking more than just annual raises (which aren&#8217;t always given).</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: RomanZolotarev</title><link>http://hackerboss.com/recruitment-mistakes/comment-page-1/#comment-227</link> <dc:creator>RomanZolotarev</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:44:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://hackerboss.com/?p=716#comment-227</guid> <description>&lt;p&gt;Do You Make These Mistakes When Recruiting Software Developers? &lt;a href=&quot;http://ff.im/-6Nmfe&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://ff.im/-6Nmfe&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;This comment was originally posted on &lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/RomanZolotarev/statuses/3387943469&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Twitter&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do You Make These Mistakes When Recruiting Software Developers? <a
href="http://ff.im/-6Nmfe" rel="nofollow">http://ff.im/-6Nmfe</a></p><p><i>This comment was originally posted on <a
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isPermaLink="false">http://hackerboss.com/?p=716#comment-228</guid> <description>&lt;p&gt;HNews: Mistakes When Recruiting Software Developers &lt;a href=&quot;http://bit.ly/11cyTH&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://bit.ly/11cyTH&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;This comment was originally posted on &lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/tek_news/statuses/3386521032&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Twitter&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HNews: Mistakes When Recruiting Software Developers <a
href="http://bit.ly/11cyTH" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/11cyTH</a></p><p><i>This comment was originally posted on <a
href="http://twitter.com/tek_news/statuses/3386521032" rel="nofollow">Twitter</a></i></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ville Laurikari</title><link>http://hackerboss.com/recruitment-mistakes/comment-page-1/#comment-225</link> <dc:creator>Ville Laurikari</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:46:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://hackerboss.com/?p=716#comment-225</guid> <description>Excellent points about salary and benefits.  To get (and keep) great developers, you&#039;re going to have to treat them with respect, not as typists. Competitive salaries and good benefits are naturally part of the equation - although money is the one thing the greatest developers care least about.  However, they can tell when they&#039;re being screwed over, and won&#039;t stand for it.In Finland, we actually have a union for developers (well, knowledge workers in general).  It can help, but it won&#039;t turn ignorant managers into good managers.  It&#039;s really kind of solving the problem from the wrong end. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent points about salary and benefits.  To get (and keep) great developers, you&#8217;re going to have to treat them with respect, not as typists. Competitive salaries and good benefits are naturally part of the equation &#8211; although money is the one thing the greatest developers care least about.  However, they can tell when they&#8217;re being screwed over, and won&#8217;t stand for it.</p><p>In Finland, we actually have a union for developers (well, knowledge workers in general).  It can help, but it won&#8217;t turn ignorant managers into good managers.  It&#8217;s really kind of solving the problem from the wrong end.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Doc Terror</title><link>http://hackerboss.com/recruitment-mistakes/comment-page-1/#comment-224</link> <dc:creator>Doc Terror</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:38:31 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://hackerboss.com/?p=716#comment-224</guid> <description>Do you pay enough?  Do you have decent benefits?The company that I&#039;m working for is flirting with financial disaster,  so I&#039;m looking to move on.I found an amazing number of job listings at firms that want to hire good developers at rates from $10-$15 an hour,  often with no health insurance.  It&#039;s just ridiculous.  I think of my brother-in-law,  who makes $80k a year filling potholes for the government.  This is somebody with no education and no unusual skills. Maybe software developers need a union too.I&#039;m coming to think the only way I&#039;m going to get respect as a software developer is to go into business for myself.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you pay enough?  Do you have decent benefits?</p><p>The company that I&#8217;m working for is flirting with financial disaster,  so I&#8217;m looking to move on.</p><p>I found an amazing number of job listings at firms that want to hire good developers at rates from $10-$15 an hour,  often with no health insurance.  It&#8217;s just ridiculous.  I think of my brother-in-law,  who makes $80k a year filling potholes for the government.  This is somebody with no education and no unusual skills. Maybe software developers need a union too.</p><p>I&#8217;m coming to think the only way I&#8217;m going to get respect as a software developer is to go into business for myself.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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